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What Went Wrong with the OPC Foundation? | Tom Burke
Walker Reynolds discuss the OPC and the OPC Foundation with Tom Burke, the former president and founder. They cover what the purpose of the OPC foundation was suppose to be, where they are going, and what we need to do to steer them back on track.
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The Smartest People In The Room - Some ProveIt! 2025 Observations
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Get tickets to ProveIt! 2025! www.proveitconference.com Join us as we dive into the key observations from ProveIt! 2025, highlighting the trends and insights in the manufacturing industry. From the growing presence of end users at conferences to the evolving role of systems integrators, this video covers it all. Chapters: 0:00 - Conference Sign-Ups & End User Trends - End users lead with over 6...
The time has come for a change...
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Register to be notified when ProveIt! 2025 Conference Tickets go on sale: 🎟️ www.proveitconference.com Join our Mastermind at IIoT University 👉 www.iiot.university/digital-mastermind Ready to dive deeper into the world of IIoT and Industry 4.0? 🌐 Join our thriving community on Discord and engage with like-minded individuals! 💬 👉 bit.ly/Industry40DIscord Supercharge your IIoT knowledge with our ...
Business Intelligence Use-Case for Unified Namespace (UNS) Example ProveIt! Session
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Get your tickets to the ProveIt! 2025 Industry 4 Community Conference! www.proveitconference.com In this session, Walker Reynolds provides an example of what a ProveIt session might look like at the upcoming ProveIt 2025 conference. They detail a solution for integrating data from various sources like MySQL, BigQuery, and Node-Red to power real-time dashboards in Looker Studio Pro. We walker th...
ProveIt! 2025: The Industry 4 Event of the Year! 🚀 (Early Access tickets now available!)
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Get your Early Access Tickets today! 👉 www.proveitconference.com 📅 Dates: February 18-20, 2025 📍 Location: The Westin Galleria, Dallas, TX Welcome to the official announcement for ProveIt! 2025, the Industry 4.0 Community Conference that's set to redefine how we approach technology and innovation. Join us as we unveil an event where vendors, OEMs, and systems integrators don't just talk about t...
Big announcements from HiveMQ (at Hannover Messe 2024)
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Join us in this insightful interview with industry expert Walker Reynolds from 4.0 Solutions and Magnus from HiveMQ, filmed live at Hannover Messe 2024. Dive into the latest developments in Industry 4.0 and MQTT protocols, and discover how innovative technologies are shaping the future of manufacturing and data communication. Ready to dive deeper into the world of IIoT and Industry 4.0? 🌐 Join ...
UNS to BigQuery Part 2
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Last chance to join our Digital Factory Mastermind 16-Week Accelerator Program! 👉 www.iiot.university/16-week-mastermind-program Ready to dive deeper into the world of IIoT and Industry 4.0? 🌐 Join our thriving community on Discord and engage with like-minded individuals! 💬 👉 bit.ly/Industry40DIscord Supercharge your IIoT knowledge with our FREE Mini-Course! 🚀 👉 bit.ly/iiotmini-course Thank you...
UNS to Google BigQuery -- Self Aware Example
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UNS to Google BigQuery Self Aware Example 0:00 - Introduction to Home Lab Infrastructure Monitoring Overview of home lab setup with Shelly plugs and Google Cloud. Devices in the home lab, including an Opto 22 and Shelly plug for temperature regulation. 1:45 - Temperature Regulation with Shelly Plugs Using Shelly plugs to adjust loft temperature during hot summers. Setting up a unified namespace...
EMQX at HM 2024: Focus on Customer Driven Innovation and Open Source MQTT Broker Performance
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EMQX executives Stefano and JNU discuss their presence at Hannover Messe 2024 and the future of their open source MQTT broker. Key discussion points include: How customer requests and community feedback drive EMQX's research and development initiatives The most common first uses cases for MQTT brokers like connecting manufacturing equipment and feeding IoT data to AI/ML systems EMQX's continued...
The Digital Fluency Divide in Manufacturing
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Explore the critical topic of digital fluency in the manufacturing industry. This video delves into the challenges and solutions involved in integrating digital technologies into traditional manufacturing environments. We cover real-world examples, including a young entrepreneur's journey to modernize a family-owned vegetable oil refinery with digital tools, and discuss the communication barrie...
3 reasons you fail… Digital Transformation Forum Keynote 2024
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In this keynote speech from the 2024 Digital Transformation Forum, Walker Reynolds, a sociologist, engineer and educator, outlines a vision for the future of manufacturing through digital transformation. Drawing on examples from leaders like Tesla and Amazon, the speaker argues that production data is king and that legacy manufacturers fail to understand digital transformation. An action plan i...
MING Stack and the Future with Founders of mosquitto and Portainer.io
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Walker Reynolds, creator of the Unified Namespace, talks with Philip Struss, CEO and founder of Cedalo and the Mosquitto MQTT broker, and Neil Creswell, CEO and founder of Portainer.io, about the MING stack, and what is on the roadmap for Mosquitto and Portainer. cedalo.com/mqtt-broker-pro-mosquitto/ www.portainer.io Welcome to another 40 Solutions video! 🎉 If you found value in this video, ple...
Digital Transformation with UNS Creator Walker Reynolds from Hannover Messe
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Digital Transformation with UNS Creator Walker Reynolds from Hannover Messe
"Prove It!" Is a Go! -- Industry 4 Community Conference!
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"Prove It!" Is a Go! Industry 4 Community Conference!
Hannover Messe: First Summary
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Hannover Messe: First Summary
MQTT Application & OPC Foundations Issues
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MQTT Application & OPC Foundations Issues
Podcast with the CREATOR of MQTT Protocol - Arlen Nipper
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Podcast with the CREATOR of MQTT Protocol - Arlen Nipper
Tech Meets Nature: Industry 4.0 and the Solar Eclipse
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Tech Meets Nature: Industry 4.0 and the Solar Eclipse
The Hardest Part of Building MES
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The Hardest Part of Building MES
Quality vs Performance (What's more important?)
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Quality vs Performance (What's more important?)
Breaking News: Tech Giants Clash, Bridges Collapse, and Hot Sauce Chugs - Industry 4.0 Updates!
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Breaking News: Tech Giants Clash, Bridges Collapse, and Hot Sauce Chugs - Industry 4.0 Updates!
The Gaps in MQTT and OPC UA
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The Gaps in MQTT and OPC UA
Using MQTT Store and Forward + Canary
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Using MQTT Store and Forward Canary
Open Source Vs Closed Source w/ Enri Marini and Mark O'Donovan
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Open Source Vs Closed Source w/ Enri Marini and Mark O'Donovan
Tech News: Apple Antitrust, NVIDIA's Blackwell, Boeing Woes, Waabi's Copilot4D
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Tech News: Apple Antitrust, NVIDIA's Blackwell, Boeing Woes, Waabi's Copilot4D
Digital Transformation Use-Case (What they look like)
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Digital Transformation Use-Case (What they look like)
How Snowflake Revolutionizes Life Sciences
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How Snowflake Revolutionizes Life Sciences
4 Things Industry 4.0 - Apple Innovates on AR, Musk Open Sources Grok, and Tyson lays off 1000+
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4 Things Industry 4.0 - Apple Innovates on AR, Musk Open Sources Grok, and Tyson lays off 1000
Talking Big Data and AI w/ Matt Trifiro
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Talking Big Data and AI w/ Matt Trifiro
UNS What to Know
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UNS What to Know

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  • @mscscambodia
    @mscscambodia День тому

    Data is needed for 4.0 but if you have manual mills and lathes still on your plant floor as many companies still do (JBT is one) the collection of the data is done by the operator manually inputting the production time, parts completed on the shift, setup, scrap, other information into a computer by hand. This is usually done at the end of the shift (bad) and error sneaks into this data so a better way to collect accurate data for these machines is needed, not just run time, downtime, coolant, or lubrication issues but true production data. There will always be error in the data with human input. Legacy companies don't see this as an issue, they still do the same thing they have for years. So If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you have always got. Their eyes are still closed to 4.0 when it come to data, they think adding a CNC is 4.0 but not collecting the data from it still have operators input of data. Just plan silly to try to get them to understand this as you say the smartest people on the plant floor but they don't make the decisions on how the company runs, someone hundreds or thousands of miles away at a corporate office is. 45 plus years in industry and education with over a half dozen companies working in machining, its a mess out there, legacy companies just don't GET IT.

  • @Firehendrix
    @Firehendrix 2 дні тому

    W.W... who do you figure that is? Woodrow Wilson...? Willy Wonka? Web-based wireframe technologies?

  • @shawndeggans
    @shawndeggans 2 дні тому

    Excellent interview. As someone more on the IT side, I appreciate the history and decisions around OPC.

  • @ShannonLooper
    @ShannonLooper 3 дні тому

    Y'all got me all nostalgic. :) I worked at STAC from 96 to 2000. Great times.

  • @alokbmi1
    @alokbmi1 3 дні тому

    Thank you Walker! Others can learn about the ownership and middle class jobs. Take 0. 🙂🙏

  • @youssefinconnu1554
    @youssefinconnu1554 4 дні тому

    I think you should change the way you make your videos, cause poeple wants to see and clearly read information on the screen , not your head or your shoulders...this for improvement

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 4 дні тому

      We moved back to using the light board, so he no longer blocks what he writes!

  • @nghiapham2192
    @nghiapham2192 5 днів тому

    Can you point me to the video that you explain about all software for industrial manufacturing, I would like to understand more about what is the Red color of CRM AR/AP SHIPPING WMS meaning , etc , I tried to search all other videos but end up with no specific video for it , Thanks you

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 4 дні тому

      The IIoT / Industry 4.0 Rant is a good video that covers software at all the layers in the manufacturing workflow. have you seen that one?

  • @peterbarrett5496
    @peterbarrett5496 6 днів тому

    You are my slave tho

  • @alasdairgilchrist2504
    @alasdairgilchrist2504 6 днів тому

    So we now know something about salt mines how about explaining , what is , the unified namespace?

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 6 днів тому

      We explain that in several videos, such as this one: What is the UNIFIED NAMESPACE? ua-cam.com/video/PB_9HIgSCWc/v-deo.html

    • @walkerreynolds973
      @walkerreynolds973 6 днів тому

      The structure of the business and all of the events Single source of truth for all data and information in the business (not system of ownership) The place where current state lives The hub through which smart things in your business communicate The architectural foundation of an Industry 4 and Digital Transformation Initiative (strategy) I think you struggle with the difference between MQTT Broker and UNS. 🙏

  • @MrNolimiits
    @MrNolimiits 7 днів тому

    I've been in this dog fight for 12 years with "higher up's". Awesome observation.

  • @motionalysisinc.1904
    @motionalysisinc.1904 7 днів тому

    Looking forward to learning about and seeing this at ProveIt!

  • @meyou9369
    @meyou9369 7 днів тому

    They literally said nothing. Basically, they are supplying the hardware for some large software companies to run cloud AI, probably Microsoft.

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 7 днів тому

      it's important to note that the infrastructure is needed in order to train your AI models. As Michael Dell said, without data, you have no AI, and with bad data, you have bad AI. Technically yes, AI Factories is a marketing term, but it's very real how this is happening on the plant floor. Thanks for commenting! Feel free to check out some of our other videos!

    • @markodonovan9770
      @markodonovan9770 6 днів тому

      It does sound a bit like two CEOs saying buy our stuff because it will make you cool.

  • @KenWiegers
    @KenWiegers 8 днів тому

    Nice Videos! After a long run in plant-floor engineering I recently picked up a job in R&D (both new products and new mfg methods) for a manufacturing organization. The data scene is quite different, and typically straight forward north-stars like OEE have a different meaning here. Do you have any content on how departments that flank manufacturing might get involved in UNS? Thanks!

  • @joshs3832
    @joshs3832 8 днів тому

    Stefan Hoppe watched this video! He tried to address it in the Q&A at the end of the OPC Day International - Day 5 (Asia/Europe) session.

    • @walkerreynolds973
      @walkerreynolds973 8 днів тому

      What did you think about his response?

    • @joshs3832
      @joshs3832 8 днів тому

      In a word "defensive". Not willing to acknowledge anything is wrong. He said there's one person (meaning you) against the OPC-F. He agreed with Tom that adoption is king and said they have adoption. Overall a very unimpressive response.

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 7 днів тому

      Thanks for sharing! Did Stefan see part 51:09 ?

  • @amywilliams1021
    @amywilliams1021 8 днів тому

    Amazing conversation! Thank you Tom for all of your hard work to start OPC, and transparency on where it could improve. I learned a lot from this conversation, would love to see a pt 2 with Tony Paine

  • @AUTEM_Industrial_Automation
    @AUTEM_Industrial_Automation 8 днів тому

    Great historical moment once again ✅

  • @BernhardLiebezeit
    @BernhardLiebezeit 8 днів тому

    Another must watch to get a picture on the origins of OT protocol development

  • @NorthernGateway72
    @NorthernGateway72 8 днів тому

    Great podcast!

  • @gustavoadolfosanchezhurtad1412
    @gustavoadolfosanchezhurtad1412 8 днів тому

    This is awesome, congratulations Walker and Tom!

  • @BernhardLiebezeit
    @BernhardLiebezeit 9 днів тому

    What a cool fire side chat this will be🎉

  • @PMC.Cambodia
    @PMC.Cambodia 9 днів тому

    25 plus years in Manufacturing starting in a toolroom to a plant manager and now a consultant in CNC and metals machining and fabrication. I find most manufacturer higher ups don't have a clue as to how the plant floor runs and people on the shop floor don't have much respect for them, just someone in an office pushing paper or messing up the machining production. Then another 25 years teaching manufacturing I find most higher ups don't listen to their shop floor people or education.

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 9 днів тому

      We agree, which is why we tell executives constantly that they are not the smartest people in the organization - it’s the people on the plant floor, who do the actual work.

  • @EthicsAndEngineering
    @EthicsAndEngineering 9 днів тому

    I appreciate the ability to see the behind the scenes of how the OPC sauce was made. I for one would love to see a biography come out showcasing the real unabridged history for each and every industry association - it's helpful information. With that being said, my comment is specifically about the language Tom Burke and many others from automation industry associations state. They all universally talk about “adoption is king, we need to market this better”. To me, this prevailing mindset signifies that industry associations still just don't get it and are likely incapable of ever getting it. It's backwards. You don't sell adoption. Adoption is sold by your users & developers after publicly releasing the asset for developers to meet user needs. OPC and others sell first, worry about meeting actual needs later. This is absolute clownery. Many products exist and are widely known but they are absolute dumpster fires because they don't solve the user's needs. Tom explicitly talks about selling an idea without ever having proven anything to anyone, chiefly by virtue of appealing to big names through status instead of caring about the end user and developers. This is the fundamental difference. True publicized assets - AKA open source technology - prove themselves first by solving real needs and do so by making all associated artifacts are made public. This includes all technical and social artifacts. The mere fact that the specifications are hidden behind paywalls - a childish and petty behavior to say the least - continues to show contempt for transparency and publicized assets. Tom's got a lot of great wisdom, I just hoped to see these aforementioned points covered in much greater detail. It seems to me that symptomatic issues were discussed without addressing the critical, hard hitting topics at hand - namely the several bad actors within the OPC Foundation and its clear political gifts with big consulting companies like Accenture. I was disappointed to not hear Tom discuss the blatantly obvious fact that the OPC Foundation has never been just a “standards” organization but also a lobbying one deeply involved with politics.

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 8 днів тому

      Thanks Enri! Who should we bring on next to move forward the cause?

    • @EthicsAndEngineering
      @EthicsAndEngineering 8 днів тому

      @@4.0Solutions As far as calling out bad actors, I like the direct action Giovanni Tarone and Alan Quayle are doing on the telco side. On the app development side, FUTO (although not explicitly labeled as industrial automation) hits directly on the point of ownership and security through open source. Thomas Quieter from the Mobility Independence Foundation is a great champion of true publicized assets and brings a beautiful perspective into why publicized assets are important. My advice to Tom from the OPC Foundation is to come clean and write an autobiography detailing the bad acting of the association. It's time we have serious public whistleblowing on the nefarious acts of prominent industry associations. I'm happy to make introductions to the folks I mentioned earlier.

  • @dividzzl
    @dividzzl 9 днів тому

    Great podcast. Long overdue. Keep up the good work :)

  • @chrisgele4438
    @chrisgele4438 9 днів тому

    Loved this podcast. Brought back some memories of the old days. Also remembered when AB/Rockwell bought ICOM. We used their software as well as AB6200 software. ICOM was known back then to put on a great show. I heard stories and got to experience some of them. Thanks, Walker and Tom.

  • @andreasroither-voigt1275
    @andreasroither-voigt1275 9 днів тому

    This podcast has laid the foundation for many people and organizations "to do the right things" (as Tom and Walker described) in industrial communication on L2 and will probably be seen as the day the switch was set.

  • @ZackScriven
    @ZackScriven 9 днів тому

    This podcast is incredible! 💯

  • @EmileAckbarali
    @EmileAckbarali 9 днів тому

    I almost have no words for how much I liked this episode, or how much I learned from it. I think I could listen to stories from Tom for hours. Some of my takeaways: (1) This statement by Tom is pure gold and I will not forget it any time soon: "Success is measured by the level of adoption." That's just how it is, that's real. It's probably why we just can't get rid of Modbus, as outdated as it is. (2) I am guilty of taking it for granted that Classic OPC was invented, but I really did not realize how much work went into getting it done and adopted. Years of work! (3) A lot of cool technical things can be done, but unless it's at a hobbyist level, then the following is essential ... (a) that the solution be made as accessible to implement as possible (b) that it has a real world value proposition ... otherwise you possibly get "so why should I adopt this?" ... question. (4) A possible way forward for the foundation is to go back to the core role of Classic OPC which was process control. Concentrate at getting adoption and the implementation at the embedded level. Thanks for this amazing interview Walker!

  • @motionalysisinc.1904
    @motionalysisinc.1904 9 днів тому

    Great stuff

  • @KimmoNiemi
    @KimmoNiemi 9 днів тому

    Interesting talk, but I think someone needs to go there and fix Tom's ceiling on the right. I think there is a bathroom over there and water is leaking through the floor.

  • @hobbes1069
    @hobbes1069 9 днів тому

    This reminds me of Azure IoT response... Why is 80% of the standard not used (Why does OPC fail)? Because no one implemented it. 🤣

  • @PhilippEchteler
    @PhilippEchteler 9 днів тому

    Favorite quote: Show them the art of possible

  • @4.0Solutions
    @4.0Solutions 9 днів тому

    So excited for this podcast!!!!

  • @StefanPlotz
    @StefanPlotz 10 днів тому

    Looking forward to it! Regarding Distribution, at my last event in the US I made a poll on stage to make sure I knew who the audience was, this was the result: 40% vendors , 30% integrators , 15% manufacturers, 15% other

  • @krisg1077
    @krisg1077 10 днів тому

    My new employer, 1st week at production line. All lines 1-2 hrs each key position. This was the best way to understand what kind of problems workers must deal. My obserwations ? They know how to make job better and faster. Technology may help but their suggestions are even better. No one talked to them. Someone was comming, here this is new system , tool, use it. Culture, values, vision. None of the points mentioned were taken seriously

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 9 днів тому

      You are in the right track. Thanks for joining the community. Please leverage the discord community for help

  • @youriregnaud8461
    @youriregnaud8461 10 днів тому

    Great video. When do using Big Query seem more relevant to you than a time series database like InfluxDB, Timescale? I guess it's a question of "and", not "or".

  • @chrisgele4438
    @chrisgele4438 10 днів тому

    I’ve spent 25+ years working in industry for consultants and distributors. I did spend a couple of years working for an OEM. While I learned alot, I never learned it all. Most if not all of the people I worked with, were straight out of college and had no field experience. Most engineers working for consultants are the same.

  • @matthewparris2823
    @matthewparris2823 10 днів тому

    If "MRP Easy" will be at the conference, I'm there!

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 8 днів тому

      Let's build a bridge!

    • @matthewparris2823
      @matthewparris2823 7 днів тому

      ​@@4.0SolutionsMRPeasy doesn't need to engage the community... The name says it all.. easy Peasy!

  • @shawndeggans
    @shawndeggans 10 днів тому

    I worked as an edge developer for a very large F&B manufacturer for a year. I only set foot on the packaging floor once.

  • @seanarney948
    @seanarney948 10 днів тому

    Looking forward to it!

  • @hairlessyoda767
    @hairlessyoda767 11 днів тому

    Can't wait for ProveIt!

  • @4.0Solutions
    @4.0Solutions 11 днів тому

    Get tickets to ProveIt! 2025! 🎫 www.proveitconference.com

  • @PaulOberle
    @PaulOberle 11 днів тому

    Always wondered about that regarding PLCs and webservices... Also I still don't understand entirely why the PLC (which is a type of computer) couldn't be replaced by a computer with similar control and computational capabilities and also have webservices :)...

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 8 днів тому

      They do offer that. it's a soft-plc. or software plc. The stigma was they were less robust.

  • @WaxWars
    @WaxWars 13 днів тому

    I’ve certainly become an IIoT evangelist and have fully embraced the concept of open-source digital solutions as the way forward. This is after spending a significant portion of my career influenced by large multinational companies like Schneider Electric, Honeywell, and Siemens. Clearly, the digital education evolution is here. Manufacturers are increasingly becoming self-sufficient by leveraging the benefits of digital technologies. Where does this leave the traditional systems integrators who have supported legacy automation close-source systems by advocating open-source? How should systems integrators pivot to support a digital manufacturing enterprise? Should they transform into technology educators?

  • @MrRosselhoff
    @MrRosselhoff 13 днів тому

    Can tulip interface with SAP? And to what extent?

  • @gabriellakis714
    @gabriellakis714 13 днів тому

    Whatever you do, I just love it. Your human values are the chains. ❤

  • @user-fx7li2pg5k
    @user-fx7li2pg5k 14 днів тому

    control control ,if ppl pulled their head out of their ass and claim your property and monetize your own data.How you think they build those new models /It isnt random they find the mf who got all those skills ,to build the most advance a.i.BUt I kept the cutting edge stuff ,which will bottleneck their system.

  • @rfrejtman
    @rfrejtman 15 днів тому

    Have been following you for a while Walker, and how you stand by your values above all else is inspiring! Congrats on the move! Joined the channel as a supporter today too 💪🏼

  • @LPA-Nu
    @LPA-Nu 15 днів тому

    How do we implement security in UNS or what strategies we need to follow to secure the UNS enviornment?

    • @4.0Solutions
      @4.0Solutions 8 днів тому

      using user based access control lists.

  • @binyameena1822
    @binyameena1822 15 днів тому

    The strongest bond you can have is values-based. There are only a handful of people I consider my mentor and learn not technical things, but also the life lessons from them. You are one of them. Looking forward to seeing more of you at iiot university 😃.

  • @user-en2vv9gl4w
    @user-en2vv9gl4w 15 днів тому

    I know you Walker since 3 years when i searched internet to have a good material for IOT, watched all your videos, joined the Mastermind class, i learnt a lot but the main learning always that touched me is your values and the vision built on those values, you re-enforced to me the only meaning I believe is important to live for "The honor", Thank you so much